Janši potrdili mandat, v parlament bo hodil brez spremstva pravosodnih policistov

Slika pove več kot vsak komentar rokujeta se dva največja krivca za nastalo situacijo,ki je v Sloveniji za vso bedo in življenje ,ki ni vredno človeka seveda nekaterih vsi njihovi priliznjenci ,tajkuni in ostala kasta pa ploskajo?

kak lejko tej Lolek ali Bolek Pahor tak nasmijani čestitati Ivanu. Joj smo Banana republika, sran me je. Če si kaznovani od prle niti hišnik nemreš biti na šoli, a v parlamenti si pa lejko. Katastrofa

Sram me je, da sem Slovenec.

JANŠA JE CAR !
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Vsi po vrsti so gnoji, pa če sedijo v parlamentu ali pa v zaporu. Narod bi mogli menjat, ki jih voli!

Pa kaj ste ogorčeni - ste že pozabili, kdo je pravzaprav ustoličil Borčija?!

Še bolj, kot to, da je ta Dobovec sedel v parlametu
(saj ga ostali niso baš je..li, ga bojo že nekako porihtali)
me pa skrbi firerjev govor svoji čredi pred parlamentom!
A res lahko 6.000 njegovih volilcev vzame za talce 2 mio Slovencev?

Ste morda med vikendom gledali film o Nemčiji po letu 1930 in firerjevem vzponu.
Enaki šov, enaka ikonografija, ... en stavek, en aplavz......... pa saj ne morem verjeti.
Ljudje, jaz se začenjam bati, kam to pelje! Deja vu!!

Če je kdo obsojen je obsojen pa naj bo v zaporu. Vsi bi morali v zapor pa bi bil svet lepši. Pošteni pa nemrejo priti nikam.

Res to več ne vodi nikamur,da pravnomočni obsojenec sedi v parlamentu,za katerega same ZDA pravijo,da je bil podkupljen.

S E C R E T LJUBLJANA 000337

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NOFORN
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DEPT FOR EUR/NCE - SSADLE, PM/RSAT - DOWLEY
OSD FOR NAJERA
JOINT STAFF FOR FREEMAN
COMMERCE FOR ITA - CRUSNAK

E.O. 12958: DECL: 05/24/2017
TAGS: MASS MARR MCAP ECON PGOV PINR PREL SI
SUBJECT: U.S. FIRMS STRUGGLE TO COMPETE AS DEFENSE
ACQUISITIONS GROW CLOUDIER IN SLOVENIA

REF: 06 LJUBLJANA 388

Classified By: COM Thomas B. Robertson for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)

¶1. (S) Summary. Nearly one year after the Slovenian Ministry
of Defense (MOD) announced that Finnish defense contractor
Patria won a 330 million USD (263 million Euro) contract to
supply 135 8x8 armored vehicles to the GoS, the issue
continues to dominate headlines amid allegations of cost
overruns and non-transparency in the selection process.
Opposition leaders forced a special session of Parliament in
February and succeeded in gaining parliamentary authorization
in March for an inquiry commission to review the purchase.
The government coalition responded by creating a similar
commission in April to review all defense purchases,
including those made when the current opposition parties ran
the government. With dueling parliamentary investigations up
and running and October 2008 parliamentary elections coming
slowly into view, questions surrounding Slovenia's largest
defense purchase in the 15 years since independence grow
increasingly aggressive. More troubling yet, the purchase is
just the most prominent example of a defense acquisition
process that is opaque, political, and increasingly
inhospitable to U.S. firms. While Slovenian military
contacts continue a close and cordial relationship with their
U.S. interlocutors at all levels, it is increasingly apparent
that political influence from above is guiding the hands of
officials making acquisition decisions. End Summary.

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ARMORED VEHICLE PURCHASE PLODS FORWARD AMID CONTROVERSY
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¶2. (C) Since the Slovenian Ministry of Defense's (MOD)
announcement on June 12, 2006 that Finnish defense contractor
Patria won a 330 million USD (263 million Euro) contract to
supply 135 8x8 armored vehicles to the GoS (reftel), post has
followed months of simmering allegations beginning with
complaints of non-transparency in the tender review and
selection process, talk of significant cost discrepancies
between the tender amount and what the GoS would eventually
pay, disputes about how the quality of the two competing
vehicles and the overall bids were compared, and allegations
that (in a cost cutting maneuver) the contract allows for the
delivery of vehicles that are not properly equipped.

¶3. (C) Given that the losing (and only other) bidder in the
controversial tender was a company with U.S. interest --
Slovenian defense company Sistemska Tehnika (ST), which is 70
percent owned by Slovenia-based Viator & Vektor (V&V)
and 12.7 percent owned by Austria-based Steyr-Daimler-Puch,
which, in turn, is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the General
Dynamics (GD) corporation -- COM has repeatedly raised
concerns about the transparency and efficacy of the GoS,s
8X8 deal with Patria (as well as other defense acquisition
tenders involving U.S. bidders) at the highest level
including Prime Minister Janez Jansa (June and December), and
both former and current Chiefs of Defense Ladislav
Lipic (June) and Albin Gutman (July and November).

¶4. (C) Dozens of front-page newspaper articles, political
cartoons, and opinion pieces questioned the GoS's choice of
Patria. Events held by the losing bidder ST to formally
present its armored vehicle 8x8 -- the Krpan -- in
manufacturing site Ravne na Koroskem and in Ljubljana further
fueled the fire in mid-October, and resulted in a print
advertising campaign from Patria -- the first time Slovenia
has seen a public advertising campaign for weapons and
military equipment -- calling the Krpan into question.

¶5. (SBU) "Tough and merciless" negotiations (as described by
Slovenian press) between the MOD and representatives of
Patria and its local partner, Rotis, to sign a formal
contract dragged on for over six months (from June 12 to
December 19) before the parties agreed on costs, offsets, and

the inclusion of Slovenian industry in the vehicles,
production. But signing the paperwork put to rest only one
part of the controversy.

¶6. (SBU) Another issue was the ongoing debate about where the
Patria 8x8 will be built in Slovenia, with losing bidder ST
owning the only active military vehicle assembly plant in the
country (in Ravne na Koroskem). Patria's local
representative Rotis said that Slovenian home appliance
manufacturer Gorenje (the lead subcontractor for the Patria
deal despite its lack of a military branch) would ultimately
be the manufacturer and assembler of the vehicles. Media
reports in December highlighted rumors that ST owners Viator
& Vektor (and its parent company General Dynamics) are
considering selling ST or simply the assembly plant in Ravne
na Koroskem to Gorenje, given that ST no longer has an
interest in the production of 8x8 vehicles in Slovenia. The
move would effectively allow production in the same plant by
the same workers as the ST bid called for, but under
ownership of the preferred bidder. Gorenje leadership said
that acquiring ST was not in its plans, however the General
Manager of Rotis Ivan Crnkovic said, in media interviews,
that it would be a "winning formula for the Slovenian
economy." On January 31 Gorenje announced that it would
build parts and assemble the vehicles at a Gorenje facility
in the town of Sostanj, though Gorenje CEO Franjo Bobinac
told media that Gorenje would not exclude the possibility of
cooperation with other Slovenian companies, including ST.
Media reports April 19 said that Gorenje had received
building permits for a 9,000 square meter plant in Sostanj
that would be operational by fall 2007, with the first
Slovenian-produced Patria armored vehicle coming out sometime
in 2008. ST's new general manager announced February 20 that
the company would split into two units, one military and one
civilian, with the bulk of ST's future interests coming from
the latter's production of consumer products. There has been
no further decision on the future of ST's Ravne na Koroskem
military vehicle assembly plant.

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PARLIAMENT HELPS MAKE PATRIA A HOUSEHOLD NAME
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¶7. (C) Opposition leaders strongly stepped up criticism of
the 8x8 armored vehicles purchase this spring calling an
extraordinary session of Parliament on February 15 to discuss
the matter. The chief target of criticism continues to be
Minister of Defense Karl Erjavec though he has steadfastly
fought back critics and, thus far has withstood rumors that
the deal will ultimately lead to his departure from the MOD.
In a press conference called to respond to the move for an
extraordinary session of Parliament, Erjavec reiterated that
the deal was in conformity with the tender and the rules,
that legislation allows members of Parliament to look at
documents from the MOD, but that they must protect business
secrets, that the whole episode is a political smear from the

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opposition parties, and that the media is to blame for
stoking the fire of the controversy. Before the session took
place, the Parliamentary Defense Committee rejected every
resolution opposition members had hoped to pass, including
ones that said that Minister of Defense Karl Erjavec had
knowingly misled the public about the price of the vehicle
purchase and another that said the purchase was harmful to
Slovenia. The actual session was a highly politicized
back-and-forth with opposition leaders repeating their
criticisms of the deal and government coalition leaders,
including Erjavec, refuting the criticism and highlighting
the purchase's benefits for the Slovenian economy and for
Slovenia's ability to contribute to NATO. Several members of
Parliament said the purchase was a return to past practices,
and that non-transparent, even corrupt, practices were a
regular occurrence throughout the history of the MOD. They
also seized on the fact that the director of Patria's local
partner, Rotis, was an aide to Prime Minister Janez Jansa
when he was the Minister of Defense.

¶8. (SBU) March 30, opposition leaders succeeded in getting
Parliamentary approval for an inquiry commission to look into
the purchase. Specifically, it is charged with determining
if the tender for the vehicle purchase favored any particular
bidder, what the exact details are for the purchase, and to
investigate the responsibility of public officeholders in
hindering oversight of the MOD and the Slovenian Armed
Forces. The coalition failed to expand the inquiry more
generally to defense acquisitions, and thus decided to pursue
a second inquiry commission to look at defense acquisitions
deals in Slovenia from 1994 to 2007 (including the purchase
of 6x6 armored vehicles, 155mm Howitzers, Pilatus turbo prop
airplanes and a government jet, as well as the refurbishment
of T-55 tanks) during the majority of which the current
center-left opposition parties held the government. The
inquiry commissions were formally established in late April
and began work in May. They have yet to release any official
findings and have no official deadlines.

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GOS TALKING POINTS: PATRIA DEAL FAIR AND TRANSPARENT
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¶9. (S/NF) Publicly and in official meetings with the COM and
EmbOffs, government officials including Gutman and
Jansa have consistently used one set of talking points,
stating that it will stick with the Patria bid, that the
Patria bid was superior in all areas of review (quality of
product, cost, and commercial impact), that Sistemska
Tehnika's bid was clearly inferior, that ST's poor
performance was a result of poor preparation and
overconfidence that it would secure the deal, and that the
entire tender process was "by the book." One notable
exception was the (now retired) Commander of the Training and
Doctrine Command, Brigadier Jozef Zunkovic (strictly
protect), who privately told ODC Chief June 22 that the
decision had been "political" and that the Patria was "not
the vehicle we (i.e. the military) wanted." Other senior SAF
leaders close to the Embassy, including the generally affable
and open Deputy Chief of Defense Alojz Steiner and former
Chief of Defense Ladislav Lipic have been particularly tight
lipped about the decision.

¶10. (S/NF) In a December conversation with Jansa, COM asked
about rumored forty percent cost overruns on the Patria deal
and commentary that the GOS would have to do without key
elements of the vehicle (including floatability and radio
encryption) or reduce the number of vehicles purchased to
meet the original cost limitations. Jansa demurred and
claimed not to have any information on the issue, saying that
the issue was in Erjavec's portfolio and that it was his job
to make sure everything transpired in a transparent matter.

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ANTI-U.S. PERSPECTIVE GROWING AT THE MOD?
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¶11. (C) The decision to purchase Patria's armored vehicles
are only the most prominent example of the negative recent
experiences of USG corporations competing for open defense
contracts from the GOS. In spring 2007, U.S.-based Cubic
Corporation lost a two way competition to provide a tactical
engagement simulation system as part of a broader combat
training center project that is being heavily supported by
the Embassy's Office of Defense Cooperation. Post strongly
advocated for the MOD to consider the benefits of purchasing
from Cubic (via Foreign Military Sales) in order to ensure
future training nteroperability with U.S. forces and given
Cubic's overwhelming role as the leader in this market. The
USD 7 million contract was awarded to Swedish firm Saab in a
deal that Embassy contacts have also identified as
non-transparent and corrupt. EmbOffs have also heard that
the SAF are looking at alternatives for even the most basic
defense purchases, including spare parts and maintenance for

SAF Hummers.

¶12. (S/NF) This seeming push away from American defense
corporations came in line with the strange appointment of
Marjan Senica to the post of Director General of the
Directorate of Logistics (which also handles acquisitions) at
the MOD in mid-2006. Senica was previously the director of
Slovenian corporation STO-Ravne, but was dismissed in 2002,
after pressure from Embassy officials, because of his direct
involvement in efforts to export military goods from Slovenia
to Syria. After a brief time in the position (during which
the Patria deal was made), Senica moved to the deputy
position in the directorate. Embassy contacts say that
Senica is pushing a generally "anything but American"
ideology into the acquisitions office at the MOD.

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¶13. (S/NF) Over the past year, post has closely followed
allegations from mainstream media, political pundits, and
internal and external observers of the MOD, with all parties
reporting that the selection and negotiation process used by
the MOD in the acquisition of the 8x8 armored vehicles was
faulty. At best, the selection and negotiation processes
have lacked transparency, with the public still not receiving
a detailed account of how GoS money is being spent, and what
it is getting in return. At worst, industry insiders tell us
they suspect criminal actions, including bribes and major
political party payoffs, in exchange for the lucrative
contract. Some have even suggested the vehicle purchase was
a conduit for the filling of campaign coffers in advance of
the first big test of the ruling coalition, parliamentary
elections in 2008.

¶14. (S/NF) According to a clandestine source with direct
access to an empoloyee of Rotis, Prime Minister Jansa's SDS
received more than 2.8 million Euro from Patria "under the
table" as part of the deal for armored vehicles. The source
also noted that Sto Ravne had failed to offer a similar
contributuion to Jansa's party.

¶15. (S) Given the smallness of Slovenia, the familiar cast of
characters surrounding the controversy is not all that
surprising. Nor is the fact that a "smoking gun" has not
emerged because of Slovenia's complete lack of investigative
reporting. How the controversy will play out now that
parliamentarians are on the case remains to be seen. What is
certain is that the political knives are out, and it is
possible that this controversial defense deal may be the
fight that frames the next few years of Slovenian politics.

¶16. (S) Another consideration is Slovenian interest in
furthering its ties in Europe and cementing itself into the
European military industrial complex. While Slovenian
military contacts continue a close and cordial relationship
with their U.S. interlocutors at all levels, it is possible
that MOD leaders do not see "buying American" as particularly
valuable in further enhancing the bilateral relationship.
The decision to go with Finnish Patria was hailed by the
Finns and was politically useful for a government that wants
to burnish its credibility as the first among the newest
members of the EU. While the GOS urgently prepares to take
the helm of the European Union in January, the very "Balkan"
story of its defense acquisitions process reminds us that
while Slovenia has come very far, there is still a ways to go.
ROBERTSON

pocakajmo se samo kaj bo povedal KRPAN?????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Ali pa je krpan v zatvori namesto janše tej čas ka ovga za par uric vo pistijo in se zato nika ne oglaša??

edennnn (193.77.82.13),se strinjam.Tej kurčevi pahor je pa rejsan *žaljiva vsebina je bila odstranjena* brez primerjave

Kanglerju so tudi zaradi brzopletega in bedastega tožilca sodbo razveljavili in dali zadevo na ponovno sojenje. Kaj bo iz tega?

Janša ima kar ima... kaj če sodba pade? Roko tam v ogenj, da ga večina tule tako sovraži, da vas ne briga, bo pravno obsojen, ali ne. Za vas je kriv. Sedaj se stalno sklicujete na pravnomočno sodbo, potem boste pač naprej izvajali linč glede na vašo nesimpatijo.

Pahor je napredil, kar je. Protokolarno čisto korektno, dal je roko vodji opozicije, kateri je bil pač izvoljen na legitimnih, zakonskih, vendar nepoštenih volitvah. In ni dal roke samo njemu... a drugi vas ne motijo? Bratušekova je glede na dolg, katerega je uspela ustvariti v enem letu veliko večji kriminalec.

Pa še tole, delite minuse, kolikor hočete, ni problem, ampak...:

Glede na vse, kar se je dogajalo ta teden se mi kar malce svita, da Cerar ali ne bo sestavil vlade, ali pa zelo, zelo krhko... s Kahlo v paketu. In to je tempirana bomba. Spet bomo hitro imeli volitve, po vrsti tretjo vlado levih strank, katere so propadle čez noč... (Pahor, Janković vlade niti ni uspel sestaviti, Bratušekova, sedaj Cerar).

Truplo, to kar pisariš so mokre sanje janšistov.

Pesek... meni je vseeno. Kaj lahko jaz še dobim od države... jo vodili vaši, ali naši?

Samo predvidevam... in nekako mislim, da se lahko tale črni scenarij celo uresniči. Namreč... a sedaj rabimo spet nove volitve? Glede na pamet našega volilnega telesa... kaj bi se spremenilo? Spet bi se pojavil po Jankoviću in Cerarju neki tip omikanega ali vedenja s polno obljubami in bi ga spet volili. Smo pa vsak dan v večjem dreku, da na kratko napišem.

Torej, Cerar je dobil sicer na nepoštenih, vendar zakonitih volitvah veliko glasov in sedaj naj pokaže, kar je obljubil. Samo, da potem to ne bodo mokre sanje vas komunajzarjev?

Truplo, Cerar je zadnja priložnost Slovenije.... ta priložnost bi bila mnogo večja, če bi bil v koaliciji z SDS. To bi lo zelo realno in možno, če na čelu te stranke ne bi bil zapornik. Pa komunajzarji ali kdorkoli gor ali dol.

Plus te koalicije bi bil edino v tem, da bi bila zadeva resna.

Minus... jaz kot podpornik SDS-a (pustimo te izdajalce iz soboške izpostave SDS) ne bi več NIKOLI volil SDS, če bi šla v koalicijo z mandatarjem, kateri je bil ali je še član Foruma21, torej komunajzarskega združenja.

Edino meni poznano komunajzersko združenje v Sloveniji je SDS.

Edine legitimne, veljavne, zakonite in poštene volitve v Sloveniji bodo tiste,
ko bomo izvolili Velikega Vodjo z Doba za predsednika.
Vse ostalo je luk i voda, a ne?

Ste uspeli pogledati posnetke izpred parlamenta, kako so ovčke blejale?
Zbran je bil sam cvet slovenske pameti!
Beeeeeeeeeeee, beeeeeeeeeeee, beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Mislim, da grem med apatride!

danes kangler...
jutri bo oproščen JJ..
potem bo frčalo perje...
še bo vroča jesen....se zavedate tega?